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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 6:53:41 GMT -6
Post TEOTWAWKI life will be: part self sufficiency. part self reliance. part subsistence food production. there will be NO outside help, NO state aid or welfare. if YOU cant make it, grow it or forage for it then YOU wont have it.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Jul 20, 2020 18:46:40 GMT -6
Post TEOTWAWKI will be:
1. No food sold to you without the Vaccine w/ it's IR tattoo. 2. Grid taken down, sheeple dependent on .gov soup lines. 3. Patriots / Christians always under scrutiny of neighbors who will be willing to turn you in for the good of the many. 4. Patriots / Christians blamed for countries issues as a scape goat, then rounded up.
Look no farther than Germany circa 1930's
History has a nasty way of repeating itself! I'm sure many Germans said "what's the big deal about wearing a mask star of David?"
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Post by kelabar on Jul 20, 2020 23:21:28 GMT -6
One of the really scary things in Australia is all government forms ask "Are you an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander?" This distinguishes between 'native' Australians as opposed to others of European/overseas descent. I wonder why it matters. I always hope it isn't history repeating itself.
I have read that some Jews in Germany were happy that they were finally being recognised as Jews. That didn't end well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 1:08:38 GMT -6
Post TEOTWAWKI will be: 1. No food sold to you without the Vaccine w/ it's IR tattoo. 2. Grid taken down, sheeple dependent on .gov soup lines. 3. Patriots / Christians always under scrutiny of neighbors who will be willing to turn you in for the good of the many. 4. Patriots / Christians blamed for countries issues as a scape goat, then rounded up. Look no farther than Germany circa 1930's History has a nasty way of repeating itself! I'm sure many Germans said "what's the big deal about wearing a mask star of David?" What food? post TEOTWAWKI the only food will be the food that we produce ourselves, for ourselves. what vaccine? there isnt one now and there is no guarantee there every will be. Grid wont be taken down it will COLLAPSE. patriots/ christians? never heard of "grey man"? keep your head down and dont get noticed. dont live in a big city if your a prepper, the big cities will be the next "killing fields", city dwellers will kill for the last tin of beans or the last toilet roll.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Jul 21, 2020 5:26:59 GMT -6
What food? post TEOTWAWKI the only food will be the food that we produce ourselves, for ourselves. > Exactly, are you 100% self-sufficient today with your food? 99% are not, and could not be. what vaccine? there isnt one now and there is no guarantee there every will be. > There is one now, they are not required to pass any testing. It will not cure anything, but will be used to mark you as the mask has been. Grid wont be taken down it will COLLAPSE. > How? patriots/ christians? never heard of "grey man"? keep your head down and don't get noticed. > What world do you live in? Your META data has been identifying you and all aspects of your life for years. Heard of Snowden? dont live in a big city if your a prepper, the big cities will be the next "killing fields", city dwellers will kill for the last tin of beans or the last toilet roll. > check
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 5:43:22 GMT -6
that'll be the 99% that dont survive TEOTWAWKI then. there is NO vaccine, they are all trying to invent one but there is nothing to use right now. they havent even got a cure for the common cold so I'm not holding my breath for one for Covid 19. any grid like the UK one that goes above ground stretched between pylons is open to all manner of possibilities from EMP/Solar Storm to just a bad winter. sorry, I've never heard of META and in any case I'm talking about POST SHTF when the internet will be down.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Jul 22, 2020 5:50:03 GMT -6
@lonewolf, exactly! You can not make a vaccine for a virus! If they could, Gates would have invented one years ago and become even richer.
Whatever they present as a "vaccine" will not be a cure. Gates believes the world only needs 500 million humans on it and is willing to kill the rest off to get there. This the guy you want to trust for a vaccine?
TEOTWAWKI doesn't mean "Mad Max" to everyone, might want to be more specific in scenario descriptions. Not being to buy food is TEOTWAWKI for me. No grid power is TEOTWAWKI for me also.
What is your definition?
Google META if you want to learn, it's a big topic. An example is the IP you logon to this forum with. It does not give your real name, but it identifies you place of connection, compare it to the person on the electric bill at your location and you might have a connections. Add 100 more points of reference and its easy to identify you. With a Smart phone you give it all away, especially with fingerprint or facial rec used to open the phone, but even without your phone is listening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 6:01:47 GMT -6
cant make a vaccine for a virus?? isnt the flu from the same family of viruses? and they have a yearly jab for that. to me TEOTWAWKI is to do with the end of the world "AS WE KNEW IT"....different. a new norm, something that needs a different lifestyle, not necessarily "MAD MAX" but different not the same as before. I'm not too bothered about your META( I dont google anything I dont trust google) my phone isnt smart its an old style phone. Bill Gates could be right, there are definitely too many people on this small rock in space, even my tiny island is overpopulated by about 75% of the population. I have seen various estimates of reduced populations anything from 500 million down to 2 Million and a time limit of 2150 to accomplish it-usually from natural deaths and a reduced birth rate- the lower the population the lower the birth rate. I believe this figure would quite quickly come about if we didnt have the modern supply systems that are currently in place, without these the mortality rate would be in the region of 90-95%, most people would be unable or unwilling to adapt and would remove themselves from the population within a short time frame.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Jul 22, 2020 20:02:59 GMT -6
Yep, can't make a virus vaccine. That's why it returns every year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 1:16:37 GMT -6
it returns every year because its a different strain every year. I havent bothered with the jab for about 6 years at least because I keep myself to myself and dont go out much in public, I prefer nature to people, but I am offered one every year so I may have to have one this year just to be safe.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Jul 24, 2020 6:07:12 GMT -6
exactly, so whatever you are taking is not going to work. I guess a vaccine that doesn't work is still a vaccine, but what is the purpose of that other than for big pharm to make money?
with the backer of the COVID-19 vaccine being an admitted Eugenist, I don't think I want whatever he is selling.
We are already hearing about a second strand coming now, but yet THE vaccine will be able to knockout all of COVID no problem???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 6:19:33 GMT -6
What vaccine? there still isnt one for covid-19 and there probably wont be one until next year, maybe never. the best course of action for any virus is to stay away from other people, this is my current lifestyle anyway-I dont like people in general with 1 or 2 exceptions- so I dont need to change much.
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Post by drhenley on Jul 24, 2020 13:39:50 GMT -6
We are already hearing about a second strand coming now, but yet THE vaccine will be able to knockout all of COVID no problem??? I'm hearing about at least seven strands.
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Post by brownbear on Jul 29, 2020 1:13:31 GMT -6
I suspect we will be stuck with it until enough people have developed sufficient antibodies for it to no longer be passed on. This is the much vaunted "herd immunity". The key question is at what cost? Allegedly 80% of people who contract the virus are asymptomatic. Another (unspecified) percentage have only mild symptoms. Theoretically that means the death rate could be between 0% and 20% of the global population. Obviously people are dying of Covid-19 right now, so we know it will not be 0% and therefore the outcome will be "up to 20%" as a worse case scenario, unless the virus radically mutates and overrides any antibodies produced by asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic people and then it could be a great deal more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 6:10:40 GMT -6
we may be looking at this the wrong way, Covid-19 may be the straw that broke the camels back. infections and deaths from those infections may be slowing down for NOW, which may have something to do with the lockdown/quarantine or it may be something to do with the hot weather/UV rays, but come the winter it may come back worse than before. we could be looking at TEOTWAWKI-welcome to the new "normal", forget jobs, forget the economy, just stay safe and away from others. we have been lucky here in my rural community so far but all these idiot tourists down from London and Birmingham are crowding onto beaches and small country lanes and could be spreading the virus, we have 11 MILLION tourists in the Westcountry in a normal year, this year it could be more because of staycations. they havent got a clue, they think its all over, its just Phase 1 of a total societal collapse.
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Post by brownbear on Aug 12, 2020 7:36:58 GMT -6
It could easily be phase 1 of a total collapse. Societies generally collapse quite slowly. We are taught about he collapse of the Roman Empire, but that took 400 years, so one can imagine a declining empire being entirely normal for a dozen generations. The same thing has happened to the British Empire, are we in the UK going the same way? Yes, I believe so, as all empires collapse eventually. They seem to grow and then decline from the inside.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 1:40:48 GMT -6
yes all civilisations collapse eventually, they have before and so will this one, we are not exempt, we just have further to fall. in the past the survivors were able to access their daily needs by their own physical labour, that is not possible in the 21st century, we are a technology dependent society and most of the old skills have been lost, knowledge of how to live in a collapsed society is unknown to all but a few. a fast collapse would probably be best, get it over with and start afresh, adapt to the new normal. but a slow collapse over time is more likely, one system collapses affecting a second which in turn affects a third, and so on, so slow at first that not many people will even notice.
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Post by brownbear on Aug 14, 2020 7:53:17 GMT -6
I could see a fast collapse occurring if, for example, the internet failed (satellites kicked out by solar storms etc). We certainly live in a modern society that is worryingly interconnected.
The example I would give is the when we saw Ebola on TV it was very much a case of "how awful for them" and then, largely, disinterest. It might have been the same for Covid-19, except the China is attached to the rest of the world via global travel. We get the god stuff, but we also get the bad stuff too.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 8:15:06 GMT -6
that is the real problem, the world is interlinked and if one country failed in the same manner as say Venezuala has, or like say Cuba did , then it could affect the whole (western) world. if the internet failed big time then we will have a load of technological addicts wailing their heads off because they cant get their fix of facebook or whatever, or the poor souls are lonely because they cant text anyone else.
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Post by brownbear on Aug 14, 2020 10:50:29 GMT -6
It's not just the techies, but most things the government does is via the internet etc.
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