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Post by billmasen on Jul 4, 2020 14:33:01 GMT -6
My greatest fears remain a total collapse of our weak and decadent society primarily by the MASS MIGRATION of tens of millions ( or more) homesless, uneducated, unskilled, unhealthy migrants from South America, Carib Islands, Africa, the middle and far east etc. They are being encouraged to come to the US / UK/ EU by (1) islamic expansionists in North Africa, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon Somalia, Ethiopia, Iraq, the Stans including Pakistan and Afghanistan, And the Socialists / Marxists etc who know their doctrine only ever grows and thrives in communities with high levels of deprivation and poverty above a certain ( debatable) percentage. China is looking to expand into Africa but ONLY for its mineral wealth the Chinese will encourage the Africans to go to Europe for Free Everything.
In the Americas the Americans numerous enemies are inciting the young, stupid and desparate to destroy the core of American culture, values, principles and foundations aided by Americas own left wingers, The Bidens , Clintons , Obamas know a THRIVING ECONOMY with LOW UNEMPLOPYMENT means they will never be elected into office. So they do their absoluite best to find way of importing as many empty bellies as they can.they do it AGAIN by promising free jobs, houses, cars, phones, healthcare, education etc in order to change voter demographics in their favour.
The simple undeniable fact is there is about 9 Billion people living on a planet that can sustain no more than 6 Billion, in a world were even basic amenities and natiural resources are becoming ever more in short supply. By encouraging millions to move into the western world often bring exotic and virulent diseases and pandemics with them will simply sap the wests medical resources dry and speed up OUR downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 7:21:19 GMT -6
I dont know about America but in the UK we dont have enough housing for everyone that is here now, let alone future immigrants or those not yet born.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 5, 2020 13:34:33 GMT -6
My greatest fear is my mrs finding out about my girlfriend.
Only kidding, they are best mates.
Fear is wasted energy, so I don't fear, I prepare. Although I do wonder if I have done enough to provide for my family during a crisis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 1:47:26 GMT -6
I do not fear TEOTWAWKI, I think that humans have evolved further than they were supposed to and that modern life and technology has rendered skills and knowledge meaningless. we have only to see how people behave once the lockdown has been lifted, especially in the UK, to see how they would act in a post TEOTWAWKI situation, mind you most of them wouldnt make it through. we may yet see it happen as some scientists are now saying forget a second wave of infection, we could see anything up to a FOURTH wave, that should thin the numbers down a bit!! if the day ever came when this country the UK instead of buying a lot of its food from abroad instead had to be self sufficient in food we could not feed the current population 12 months of any year we would run out of food about 11th of August.( I saw a national farmers union report saying as much).which is a good enough reason to grow as much of our own food as we can, not that many of the population would have even seen that report much less actually read it. report here: www.nfuonline.com/back-british-farming/campaign-news/self-sufficiency-day-2019-coverage-and-impact/
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Post by texdanm on Aug 6, 2020 21:49:06 GMT -6
Eventually, everyone is either going to catch it and get over it or die unless they come up with an effective vaccine real soon that can rapidly be manufactured in MASS quantities. the truth about the coronavirus is that it is no more deadly than the flu for people that are young, healthy and don't have a bunch of problems. On the other hand, it is massively deadly, much worse than the flu, for older people or people with other health problems especially any sort of COPD. the mortality rate for the military is way under half of one percent. Most little kids hardly know that they have it.
Many diseases seem to target a certain group of people more than others. the Spanish influenza was one of those. It was LETHAL for young healthy males and the better shape you were in the worse it hit you. The old and the young and to a lesser extent the women weemuch less affected. It turns out that it infects your immune system and turns it against you. The stronger your immune system the worse it was and would kill you before your body could react and begin to fight it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 0:32:18 GMT -6
actually the virus hits the BAME community much harder than the Whites, someone said they had a different immune system or one that wasnt as efficient, something like that. anyway, I have said for years that in a pandemic me and mine are going into personal isolation until it has run its course and that is what we have done, we didnt go anywhere or meet anyone else for the best part of 3 months, our rural area has had little infection and fewer deaths so there is a point in being fairly remote. the larger infections were in the big cities and highly populated urban areas which sort of stands to reason.London and the cities of the North West had the most infections and the majority of the deaths.
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Post by drhenley on Aug 7, 2020 5:14:04 GMT -6
What is the "BAME community"? I have not heard that term before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 5:25:56 GMT -6
Black and Multi Ethnic- the media over here have started using this term.
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Post by drhenley on Aug 7, 2020 5:31:19 GMT -6
Two entirely different groups here. Blacks have been here as long or longer than whites in many cases, so they aren't an immigrant group here like they are there. Our biggest immigrant group is from Mexico or south of Mexico.
Any blacks that are willing to open their eyes realize that immigrants are taking jobs away from blacks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 5:42:43 GMT -6
immigrants here either work within their own culture, usually as cooks or kitchen staff, or they live on welfare. there is a large number of blacks in London and the northern cities, a lot of them born and bred here, same goes for Muslims- a couple of London boroughs have Muslims as the main population, whites are in the minority there. eastern Europeans, from Romania and Bulgaria, are a recent addition and they are everywhere.
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Post by drhenley on Aug 7, 2020 6:03:58 GMT -6
Although the media, including social media, are working overtime to silence them, there are a lot of blacks here waking up to the fact that the liberals have been using them to their detriment for a long time.
Candice Owens was one of the most outspoken and she has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, and GoFundMe. Facebook and Twitter had to do an about face and apologize after a firestorm of protest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 6:09:21 GMT -6
I dont do facebook, twitter, or any of those other things, so havent seen any of this, plus I am 3.000 miles away on the other side of the "pond".
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Post by sahunter on Aug 7, 2020 8:54:07 GMT -6
Although the media, including social media, are working overtime to silence them, there are a lot of blacks here waking up to the fact that the liberals have been using them to their detriment for a long time. Candice Owens was one of the most outspoken and she has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, and GoFundMe. Facebook and Twitter had to do an about face and apologize after a firestorm of protest. She is an amazing woman - her commentaries are so very factual and in such a way that those she speaks out against more than likely will end up agreeing with her. I love listening to her speak.
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Post by brownbear on Aug 8, 2020 1:28:19 GMT -6
I am sorry Bill, but I fear I do have to disagree with you in some key areas. Scientist believe that the planet can sustain 14 billion people, we are only halfway to that figure just now, getting closer to it by the day though....
I also do not see your point about immigration being a real weak link at the moment. Obviously unfettered immigration is a problem, not least because it uses social tensions within society, and I do believe that much of the current migration is for economic reasons, so those who migrate generally come to take rather than assimilate.
I believe the biggest problems facing the planet comes from two key areas, the first is that we are consuming the planets resources faster than reasonable or sustainable replacements can be found. We've all seen the diagrams and news articles telling us that if we all lived like people in the US we would need a planet 2.4 x the size of ours etc, but the sad fact is that it is true. We are stripping the worlds resources very quickly. This is exacerbated by the Eastern world currently have its own "industrial revolution" (and who are we in the west, who have had our "industrial revolution" to tell them they can't?). We stand a good chance of experiencing serious water shortages within the next few decades, simply down to increased demand from growing industry and a growing population.
The other key area is, of course, climate change. Sadly that phrase has become associated with an excuse for governments to increase taxation and force "green" measures on the populace, but the underlying truth is that the planet is warming. The jury is, I believe, still out on the causes, so I don't want to get involved in that argument. But I was sufficiently concerned by what I was hearing some years back to go to university and study the science behind climate change. I came out with what I believe is a rounded view view of the matter and I find that (irrespective of cause) the climate is changing. This is and will continue to lead to more severe weather events, rising sea levels and displaced populations. So, if you're worried about migration now, consider how will it be when we get millions of migrants who, literally, have no choice but to move (rather than the current, comparatively moderate economic migrancy).
I do not see answers to the above - if climate change is man made, and it may be, it is probably too late to change it for our lifetime. If it is not man-made, which is just as likely likely we cannot change it, only adapt.
We can, possibly, change our consumption of the worlds resources (but, in my mind, it is unlikely that the world's, greedy, decadent and avaricious governments and their wealthy supporters would sanction any meaningful change) and, maybe, make a difference - who knows.
The political unrest that seems to be everywhere is, I suspect, probably an outward manifestation of the social strains within countries and, to some extent, inequalities between richer and poorer nations.
And, of course, Covid could change all of the above.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 1:46:22 GMT -6
I read some years ago that the "optimum" population for the UK would be around 50 million, not self sufficient or anything like that just a comfortable number we could cope with, it is now at 66 million and likely to be 70 million within the next few years, one thing the human race seems to be good at is pushing out babies even if we cant support them.
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Post by brownbear on Aug 8, 2020 1:52:43 GMT -6
I think the figures change over time. The "maximum" figures certainly seem to increase in line with the population.
The colossal rate of human reproduction is, almost certainly, part of the key to human success and, of course, its future undoing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 1:55:24 GMT -6
in past times the population rose or fell on how good or bad the harvest was, now with globalisation we have undone all that and the result is overpopulation, until the collapse anyway.
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Post by brownbear on Aug 8, 2020 2:48:12 GMT -6
Yes, it did and, when you put it that way the reason for overpopulation versus human resilience is brought into stark focus.
One tends to forget that in modern times of famine there is a concerted global effort to save lives, whereas in the distant past those in famine simply died unremarked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 3:01:45 GMT -6
in any SHTF type event it is possible the first things we would lose, especially here in the UK, is imports, either because they are simply not available or the supplying country needs it for their own population, either way its not available, be that food, medicine, pesticides for agriculture or whatever. so the population here, whatever it was, would have to try to survive on what could be produced or manufactured with ever reducing resources, eventually even that would stop and we would have to live on what we could provide ourselves on a personal level, its called self reliance, a term most people have never heard of and even less would know what it means, it would be impossible for most anyway so the meaning is almost irrelevant. there was a report by the national farmers union that if this country had to be self sufficient in food, no imports, with the current population we would run out of food by 11th August, literally a couple of days from now , with another 4 months of the year to go we can just imagine the resulting starvation that would ensue!
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Post by texdanm on Aug 10, 2020 19:48:09 GMT -6
The US has almost unlimited wealth when it comes to food and water. The problem is that the places where this food is grown is often thousands of miles away from the places where the people are piled up by the millions and millions. In the even of a break down the thousabds of square miles if grain in the middle and south will not be able to be shipped to those masses. The millions of cattle in Texas are not going to do the people in the North East, West coast and North Central US a bit of good.
A lot of our major cities are built in places that have no water in the quantity that that level of population needs. If the power goes down the water will stop. Many of the major cities pipe their water from sources hundreds of miles away. Those of us in the crop and cattle growing areas will have no problem finding food. The poor people in places like NYC, LA, Detroit, San Francisco, and maybe even Houston will run out of food and then be unable to leave except on foot as the people panic in mass and block the highways.
Country people tend to keep a pretty big pantry and often have two freezers. We don't run to the store to get food for tonight. We don't eat out at least half of the nights a week. As far as numbers the US will lose hundreds of millions to basic starvation and mob violence.
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