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Post by ninab on Jan 13, 2022 15:44:51 GMT -6
I am, always have been and always will be a farmer at heart so when I see and hear things coming from elitist government/corporate types that more than hint at a global "re invention" the entire food chain, it worries me ever so slightly. Yes, that was an understatement.
Has anyone else seen some of the things that came out of the 2021 WEF meeting last year? My first reaction was they can't be serious. Then I started poking around for myself on their website and not only are they serious, they seem to have roped in government leaders, corporations, international banking and others to go along with the program.
To be clear, I am not against doing what can be done as individuals to preserve and improve the land that feeds us. That simply makes sense. Where I draw the line is artificially designed "changes" where a bunch of bookworms and autocrats sit around in a room and decide how those of us who work every day in the field, "should be" doing our jobs. What could possibly go wrong?
What I see coming down the pipe from these folks is at best, going to destroy the economy and create further social unrest. At worst lead to widespread famine and destroy individual self-determination and property ownership.
Trying to war game this to be in the best situation possible to weather the storm.
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Post by drhenley on Jan 13, 2022 21:35:49 GMT -6
The big meat packing companies are heavily investing in synthetic meats (Plant based, lab grown, etc.)
Meanwhile the big meat packing companies seem to be trying to do everything in their power to put their meat suppliers out of business.
Do the math...
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Post by ninab on Jan 14, 2022 8:31:51 GMT -6
I am more of a farmer than a rancher. Mostly fruits, nuts, herbs, mushrooms, forest products and dairy. Meat is more of a personal consumption thing. The meat packing plants here in the US...there are 4 and three of them are mostly foreign owned. Ranchers in some cases are getting together and starting their own meat processing plants as co-ops. I was a vegetarian back in my late teens and early 20's...couldn't keep weight on so won't be personally going there again. Not enough fat in there to sustain my metabolism.
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Post by kelabar on Jan 15, 2022 15:01:23 GMT -6
The Great Reset, the Third Reich, etc, etc. It is all the same. A bunch of idiots decide they want to rule the world and they don't care how many people die in the process. It never works. It doesn't start and finish, it is endless, just a matter of degree. It happens everywhere. We just knock them down again until next time. Same ol', same ol'.
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Post by ninab on Jan 18, 2022 9:07:11 GMT -6
I hope you are right but, it does not mean there will not be significant disruption in society in general during that process because of our reliance now on technology. These times are very different than in 1939! Society is different. People are different. Perhaps I am a little more paranoid about our increased dependence upon technology. Both my son and husband work in cyber security. With the attacks on the grid, pipe lines etc, it really puts on display how easily, the gossamer veil that keeps modern civilization, civil, is.
Most have never been asked to personally sacrifice ANYTHING to fight a "war" and from what I see and hear coming from them, if they were asked to sacrifice, they would give up in short order.
"In 2030 you will own nothing and you will be happy" was one of the pillars of The Great Reset put forth in Davos last year. They quickly pulled the video of it when there was some outrage. This year, the opening speaker was the Chinese President! More disturbing, our own government, President, is going along with the program.
This time is different I think.
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Post by drhenley on Jan 21, 2022 13:23:49 GMT -6
Well there is one area in which there is cause for optimism. Thanks to Obama and now Biden, gun ownership has risen meteorically all across the United States.
The Gun Industry has named Biden "Gun Salesman of the Year."
Gun laws in many red states have been relaxed. Castle Laws, then Stand-Your-Grown Laws, then Shall-Issue Laws for Concealed Carry, and now Constitutional Carry Laws are being passed in one state after another. Restrictive gun laws have been struck down in the Supreme Court, and the Second Amendment has been ruled by the Supreme Court to be an individual right, not a corporate right as it has been interpreted in the past.
The Rittenhouse verdict was a shot across the bow of the gun control cabal.
And a prominent Liberal gun hater permanently discredited himself by killing someone with a handgun...
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Post by frostbite on Feb 1, 2022 19:42:16 GMT -6
I'm authorised to conduct handgun training and run the Safe Handling Course required to obtain a pistol licence. In the last 6 months I've seen a large increase in people wanting to get a pistol licence. A sign of the times.
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Post by drhenley on Feb 5, 2022 10:15:30 GMT -6
I decided to get Schwab's book and see what I could find out about his thinking. Here are a couple of nuggets:
Over the coming months and years, the trade-off between public-health benefits and loss of privacy will be carefully weighed, becoming the topic of many animated conversations and heated debates. Most people, fearful of the danger posed by COVID-19, will ask: Isn’t it foolish not to leverage the power of technology to come to our rescue when we are victims of an outbreak and facing a life-or-death kind of situation? They will then be willing to give up a lot of privacy and will agree that in such circumstances public power can rightfully override individual rights.
This is ultimately a moral choice about whether to prioritize the qualities of individualism or those that favour the destiny of the community. It is an individual as well as a collective choice (that can be expressed through elections), but the example of the pandemic shows that highly individualistic societies are not very good at expressing solidarity.
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Post by ninab on Feb 6, 2022 19:00:11 GMT -6
What I gleaned from Schwab's book was that they intend to put capitalism in its grave, once and for all, using an emergency...thing is, I don't think COVID turned out to be the black death they were maybe hoping it was.
You pointed out that highly individualistic societies are not good at solidarity. I would say it depends on the "emergency". On 9-11 we were pretty unified because right and wrong was obvious. As time progressed, we lost much of that.
One can see the same thing happen with the Bolshevik Revolution (the Great Reset as proposed would be on an even larger scale of change). At first, especially in the Ukraine, there was a "honeymoon" period where almost everyone (with only small pockets of resistence) was on board with the "wonderful ideas" of collective wealth. Then as those ideas were put into practice, revealing their flaws, and human nature, fewer and fewer people were cheerleading the cause.
What Schwab is proposing is "public-private-partnerships", cooperation between the government and private businesses towards a common goal; whereby government would tell businesses, what to produce, how much to produce, how to produce it, how much to charge, who to hire or fire, who to loan money to (Via ESG scores rather than creditworthiness). This is the textbook definition of Fascistic Socialism. The fact that it is being presented in a "pretty" package of "equity", global wellbeing and "fairness", does not make it any less odorous to individual freedom and liberty. Once they have digitized the currency, we are going to be in for a bumpy ride I believe.
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Post by drhenley on Feb 7, 2022 7:47:41 GMT -6
Central planning in other words.
It was a major disaster in the Soviet Union. Solzhenitsyn spend a good bit of time in The Gulag Archipelago ridiculing the idiotic things the central planners planned. (yes I read the entire unabridged English translation) Like mandating that farmers sow flax during a time of year in which snow was still on the ground. The farmers dutifully went out and sowed flax in the snow, and then got branded saboteurs when it didn't grow.
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Post by ninab on Feb 7, 2022 23:05:31 GMT -6
That was a good book but only tells part of the idiocy. The things leading up to the Holodomor were equally inane. Another good one is Red Famine by Anne Applebaum; more focused on Ukraine and explains why Russia should never have a presence there again.
It was much the same in Ukraine, as Russia came in and forcibly took grain (including next year's seed) and livestock (including breeding stock) and then blamed the peasants and Kulaks when the farms didn't produce. They were exporting food that could have kept them going but (greed?) the need for foreign currency and to "prove" how well collectivism was working, outweighed the well being of the people (government elites regardless of system are very similar/human nature). When the farmers were starving and were too weak to work, they and the ethnic Ukrainian Communist leaders, were blamed as saboteurs and replaced with ethnic Russians.
Everything was about the cities and for the cities. "The Workers"...like farming isn't work? Rural folk in all areas controlled by Russia were treated as disposable and replaceable. Eventually, the cities started starving...by then it was a long road back.
I am a rural girl. Grew up there and, will die there. On line, people assume I am uneducated and just plain stupid. I see this attitude quite often. Never mind that I have four degrees and speak multiple languages, understand and read many more. I am a business woman in a system that is rigged against me. Because I am a farmer and grew up in the country, I must be an idiot.
It is this attitude which makes looking down the road at what Schwab has laid out for "The Great Reset" and the fourth industrial revolution, quite unsettling. It sounds much like the views that Communist Russia had and for many reasons, I don't like it. I fear for what will happen when they start trying to tell farmers how they should run their businesses because...cows fart and tractors burn diesel.
One of the flaws of individualism, is that it is for a virtuous and moral people. Only then, can it benefit the collective. I live somewhere that a handshake and a person's word still has value. Generally speaking, there are not many populated places around like that anymore.
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