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Post by sahunter on Sept 23, 2020 4:43:51 GMT -6
I've always wondered how much one's beliefs (religious) play in your preparedness. It's a vague question, but it was posted out of curiosity. I've read many other forums, and some people are very passionate with their religious beliefs, which are closely related to their own prepping.
Just wondering how much your beliefs play a part of your preparedness.
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Post by billmasen on Sept 23, 2020 9:01:43 GMT -6
Absolutely none what so ever, whilst I do respect peoples ABSOLUTE right to believe in what ever religion they want I do not want to experience their beliefs. It is simply not for me because in my 65 years I have only ever seen religion cause misery, genocide, oppression and heartbreak for millions ( whilst oddly enough providing great moral support for familes and individuals) I've seen first hand the violent sectarianism in England Ireland and Scotland, I've seen the terror attacks on 911 7/7 and other events from Madrid to Paris to Moscow, Madrid and Beslan all in the name of God. I and my friends saw the after effects of the conflict in Bosnia etc between orthdox christians and muslims. I consider people very highly motivated by their own faith to be either the most kind, gentle and tolerent people on earth AND on the other hand the most violent obsessive hate filled bigots. As soon as people start killing or subjugating or discriminating in the name of some diety they lose their justification.
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Post by drhenley on Sept 23, 2020 9:38:58 GMT -6
I'm sure they do. I haven't really thought about it much though.
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Post by dirtdiva on Sept 23, 2020 10:11:02 GMT -6
Like Doc I am sure it does on some level. That being said I remain strongly in the corner of "God helps those who help themselves!"
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Post by billmasen on Sept 23, 2020 14:06:40 GMT -6
Like Doc I am sure it does on some level. That being said I remain strongly in the corner of " God helps those who help themselves!" I prefer " Evil flourishes when good men do nothing" .
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Post by kelabar on Sept 23, 2020 19:06:05 GMT -6
I have only ever seen religion cause misery, genocide, oppression and heartbreak for millions No. What you have seen is people causing misery, genocide, oppression and heartbreak and using religion to justify it. I consider people very highly motivated by their own faith to be either the most kind, gentle and tolerent people on earth AND on the other hand the most violent obsessive hate filled bigots. Again, nothing to do with religion. People can be kind or hate-filled whether religious or not. You cannot be a good Christian murderer or a bad Buddhist murderer. You are just a murderer. Regardless of your beliefs, your actions determine what you are, not your religion (or lack of it).
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Post by billmasen on Sept 24, 2020 5:55:05 GMT -6
I have only ever seen religion cause misery, genocide, oppression and heartbreak for millions No. What you have seen is people causing misery, genocide, oppression and heartbreak and using religion to justify it. I consider people very highly motivated by their own faith to be either the most kind, gentle and tolerent people on earth AND on the other hand the most violent obsessive hate filled bigots. Again, nothing to do with religion. People can be kind or hate-filled whether religious or not. You cannot be a good Christian murderer or a bad Buddhist murderer. You are just a murderer. Regardless of your beliefs, your actions determine what you are, not your religion (or lack of it). Sorry but i must politely and respectfully disagree 100%, far to much genocide is done by people often at the behest of their religious leaders.
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Post by kelabar on Sept 24, 2020 6:30:26 GMT -6
Sorry but i must politely and respectfully disagree 100%, far to much genocide is done by people often at the behest of their religious leaders. Yes, this is what I meant but my pathetic communication skills have let me down (again). The leaders may be religious but the evil they do has nothing to do with the religion. They are just evil people using religion for their evil. The same way non-religious people can also be evil. It isn't the religion. Best I can do to explain what I mean.
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Post by sonic on Sept 24, 2020 6:43:51 GMT -6
I've always wondered how much one's beliefs (religious) play in your preparedness. It's a vague question, but it was posted out of curiosity. I've read many other forums, and some people are very passionate with their religious beliefs, which are closely related to their own prepping. Just wondering how much your beliefs play a part of your preparedness. None at all. I'm agnostic by definition.
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Post by drhenley on Sept 24, 2020 8:16:58 GMT -6
Top fifteen genocides in history Holocaust (by Nazis) 5,700,000-6,000,000 killed Generalplan Ost (by Nazis) 4,500,000-13,700,000 killed Holodomir (By Soviets) 1,800,000-7,500,000 killed Nazi Genocide of Poles (by Nazis) 1,800,000-3,000,000 killed Conquest of Western Xia (by Mongols) 1,500,000 killed Cambodian Genocide (by Khmer Rouge) 1,386,734-3,000,000 killed Kazahk Genocide (by Soviets) 1,300,000-1,750,000 killed Genocide in Bangladesh (By Muslim Pakistanis) 300,000-3,000,000 killed Armenian Genocide (By Turks) 700,000-1,800,000 killed Indonesian Genocide (By Anti-Communist factions, mostly Muslim, but not for religious purposes) 500,000-3,000,000 killed Rwandan Genocide (By Hutus, tribal war) 500,000-1,071,000 killed Greek Genocide (By Turks) 500,000-900,000 killed Zunghar Genocide (by Qing Dynasy - suppression of Zunghar rebellion) 480,000-600,000 killed Circassian Genocide (by Russian Empire - ethnic cleansing in the aftermath of the Caucasian War) 400,000-1,500,000 killed Serbian Genocide (by fascists in Nazi puppet regime) 320,000-600,000 killed Pacification of Algiers (by the French to put down rebellions in Algiers) 300,000-1,000,000 killed
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Post by billmasen on Sept 24, 2020 9:41:31 GMT -6
Sorry but i must politely and respectfully disagree 100%, far to much genocide is done by people often at the behest of their religious leaders. Yes, this is what I meant but my pathetic communication skills have let me down (again). The leaders may be religious but the evil they do has nothing to do with the religion. They are just evil people using religion for their evil. The same way non-religious people can also be evil. It isn't the religion. Best I can do to explain what I mean. 100% Agree
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Post by billmasen on Sept 24, 2020 9:43:36 GMT -6
Top fifteen genocides in history Holocaust (by Nazis) 5,700,000-6,000,000 killed Generalplan Ost (by Nazis) 4,500,000-13,700,000 killed Holodomir (By Soviets) 1,800,000-7,500,000 killed Nazi Genocide of Poles (by Nazis) 1,800,000-3,000,000 killed Conquest of Western Xia (by Mongols) 1,500,000 killed Cambodian Genocide (by Khmer Rouge) 1,386,734-3,000,000 killed Kazahk Genocide (by Soviets) 1,300,000-1,750,000 killed Genocide in Bangladesh (By Muslim Pakistanis) 300,000-3,000,000 killed Armenian Genocide (By Turks) 700,000-1,800,000 killed Indonesian Genocide (By Anti-Communist factions, mostly Muslim, but not for religious purposes) 500,000-3,000,000 killed Rwandan Genocide (By Hutus, tribal war) 500,000-1,071,000 killed Greek Genocide (By Turks) 500,000-900,000 killed Zunghar Genocide (by Qing Dynasy - suppression of Zunghar rebellion) 480,000-600,000 killed Circassian Genocide (by Russian Empire - ethnic cleansing in the aftermath of the Caucasian War) 400,000-1,500,000 killed Serbian Genocide (by fascists in Nazi puppet regime) 320,000-600,000 killed Pacification of Algiers (by the French to put down rebellions in Algiers) 300,000-1,000,000 killed I think the Incas and Native Americans may disagree
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Post by drhenley on Sept 24, 2020 10:37:40 GMT -6
I think the Incas and Native Americans may disagree That wasn't for religious reasons. Besides, large portions of the country were almost completely depopulated by other tribes, and by Mother Nature. By the time the Spaniards started looking for gold in the Southeast, the total population of Native Americans in North America was less than 500,000. In the 1790s there was a severe drought in the Southeast. The Southeastern tribes were starving and had to make extended hunting trips to the Midwest to hunt. They had to fight the local tribes along the way, and they annihilated some of them, especially the ones that practiced cannibalism (which the Southeastern Indians considered shockingly barbaric).
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Sept 26, 2020 9:01:35 GMT -6
Without my "religious beliefs" (aka following the Word of Yah) I would not have known MERCY and would not give any because of it. That's just one of many ways it plays into my preps.
Your beliefs are all formed, and your actions are all a product of your "religious beliefs" even if you don't know what "religious beliefs" you have.
And everyone has them. There are no Atheist in the world, every one of them that claim so think it's wrong for me to kill them... why? What is determining their belief system that doing so is wrong?
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Post by billmasen on Sept 26, 2020 10:11:25 GMT -6
Without my "religious beliefs" (aka following the Word of Yah) I would not have known MERCY and would not give any because of it. That's just one of many ways it plays into my preps. Your beliefs are all formed, and your actions are all a product of your "religious beliefs" even if you don't know what "religious beliefs" you have. And everyone has them. There are no Atheist in the world, every one of them that claim so think it's wrong for me to kill them... why? What is determining their belief system that doing so is wrong? No again ( yes I know I'm the minority ) Mercy comes from simple basic decent humanity, like kindness its a simple natural human trait just like envy, greed, anger. Infants and toddlers display these traits long before they are indoctrinated by their families faith.
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Post by drhenley on Sept 26, 2020 13:22:15 GMT -6
No again ( yes I know I'm the minority ) Mercy comes from simple basic decent humanity, like kindness its a simple natural human trait just like envy, greed, anger. Infants and toddlers display these traits long before they are indoctrinated by their families faith. Oh, so only children of religious families learn envy greed and anger??? Riiiiiight.... You mean before they become corrupted by adults (religious or no) "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Sept 27, 2020 14:39:43 GMT -6
The most merciful less people I know are 3 year olds! They will beat you to a pulp if they can't have their way.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 27, 2020 18:24:56 GMT -6
I believe you don't have to believe in a god to have a moral code.
I don't follow a god, and I could never reconcile how if a god is all powerful, why does it allow humans to commit such atrocity against each other? If I was all powerful I couldn't stand idly by as young children and babies are raped and butchered, pregnant women bayonetted, the weak preyed upon by the strong. God sounds like a total piece of shit to me.
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Post by kelabar on Sept 27, 2020 20:40:26 GMT -6
I believe you don't have to believe in a god to have a moral code. I don't follow a god, and I could never reconcile how if a god is all powerful, why does it allow humans to commit such atrocity against each other? If I was all powerful I couldn't stand idly by as young children and babies are raped and butchered, pregnant women bayonetted, the weak preyed upon by the strong. God sounds like a total piece of shit to me. What do you think God thinks of you? Replace 'God' with 'you' in the above statement!
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Sept 28, 2020 5:30:31 GMT -6
And then realize that in spite of "you" he provided atonement for "you" while you were yet a sinner through the cross.
You can put aside your excuses and anger and accept that gift, or....
[Rev 13:4-6 NASB] 4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" 5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, [that is,] those who dwell in heaven.
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