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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 23, 2020 9:25:54 GMT -6
How about a drill. You live in Southern Louisiana, USA. There are not one but 2 hurricanes set to impact at relatively the same time 2 am Tuesday morning. Lets say category 3. You are 48 hours from impact. What do you do?
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Aug 23, 2020 11:07:06 GMT -6
Check preps, wait to enter bunker. Why would anyone live in hurricane country without appropriate preps?
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 23, 2020 11:36:54 GMT -6
Check preps, wait to enter bunker. Why would anyone live in hurricane country without appropriate preps? Define bunker. Underground is not an option most times because of the water level. Just a tidbit of info for thought especially coastal.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Aug 23, 2020 13:49:35 GMT -6
There is no high ground in S.LA?
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 23, 2020 15:38:24 GMT -6
Water table to close to the surface. A bunker quickly becomes a swimming pool. My family farm had 4 artesian wells or what we called " flow wells" on one property. Where the house was never flooded in the 70 plus years that my family has owned it. Even the big flood last year. Flooded all around it. I have never seen a basement in South Louisiana Ever.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Aug 23, 2020 17:00:21 GMT -6
Don't you have hills above the flood zone down there?
Why do people choose to live in flood zones anyway?
Why live in hurricane areas?
If you have no where to hunker down, then you have to bug out don't ya? Good thing Hurricanes are a lt more predictable than tornadoes!
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Post by drhenley on Aug 23, 2020 17:26:55 GMT -6
Don't you have hills above the flood zone down there? Hills? You do realize how that land was formed, right?
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 23, 2020 17:56:32 GMT -6
Don't you have hills above the flood zone down there? Why do people choose to live in flood zones anyway? Why live in hurricane areas? If you have no where to hunker down, then you have to bug out don't ya? Good thing Hurricanes are a lt more predictable than tornadoes! 1. No there are no hills above the flood zones. Below sea level is pretty much the norm. 2. Many were not original flood zones. We (man) have made them that way. Poor planning and engineering of housing developments. Destroying the marshes that guarded the coast to develop land that should not be developed. Why do you choose to live where you live. There is no where on earth that you are not vulnerable. When I lived in Florida it was sinkholes and tornadoes. In the midwest it was blizzards, ice storms and tornadoes. Here in Tennessee it is wild fires and tornadoes. California is earthquakes and idiots. The list is endless. Volcanoes, tsunamis OMG a meteor could fall on you tonight. 3. Why live in hurricane areas? In the U.S. 127 MILLION people live in coastal counties. Where do you suggest they all go. 4. My family has lived in Coastal Louisiana for almost a century. No one in my family has ever lost their life to a hurricane or even been injured. I do not know any one person that has been physically injured by a hurricane in my family or immediate community. Loss of property yes. In all that time we have also not evacuated. We may all go to the family property that is the safest but we do not evacuate. We build our houses as high and as well as we can. No trailers. We Prep. Food, water and tools to survive and then help to pull our community up and we rebuild.
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Post by sonic on Aug 24, 2020 0:47:12 GMT -6
I have to admit, I've never had to consider this type of scenario. We have a lot of storms, but in my lifetime, I have thankfully only encountered one hurricane force storm. So simply because of this I would have to go by common sense rather than experience. I will be interested to see what the sensible replies are going to be.
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Post by billmasen on Aug 24, 2020 1:41:16 GMT -6
I would bugger off away from the coast by any means neccessary, Isaw the aftermath of H Andrew first hand, IF you can run away.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 24, 2020 6:20:08 GMT -6
Okay here is my go at it.
1. Gas up all vehicles 2. Plenty water and extra ways to purify water (flood waters contaminate drinking water pipes) 3. Secure outside projectiles lawn furniture, dog houses, flower pots etc. 4. Secure windows ply wood, duct tape, plastic sheeting in case one breaks 5. Weather radio, lighting, flash lights candles, batteries etc. 6. Lots of food that requires little cooking. Fruit, jerky, snacks crackers, tuna ( paper plates etc that require no washing) 7. Rain gear or large garbage bags that can be used as rain gear. 8. Secure vital documents and a bag of clothing and essentials to grab including maps 9. A food and water box to grab 10. Entertainment books, puzzles or games 11. Secure your animals plenty food, water and shelter.
That is all that comes to mind off the top of my head.
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Post by Jim_K7JLJ on Aug 24, 2020 19:09:05 GMT -6
"Why do you choose to live where you live." The more important question is "why do you not live in high risk areas?" Uh... because of Hurricanes. Why do people live in cities when they know what they become in SHTF? "Why live in hurricane areas? In the U.S. 127 MILLION people live in coastal counties. Where do you suggest they all go. " I don't suggest THEY go anywhere, I do suggest anyone that has "ears to hear" do move away from risky locations, cities, land under sea level on the Hurricane coast, lands that burn every year like California right now, near strategic missile sites, etc, etc. I did a quick search and S.LA has property 500+ ft above sea level, how much or where I don't know, but if I had to live there (nobody has to live anywhere) I would seek high ground and put a basement in.
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Post by sonic on Aug 25, 2020 1:33:33 GMT -6
Thanks for the sensible reply DD. You've mentioned a couple of things I hadn't considered. like food that doesn't need cooking.
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Post by texdanm on Aug 26, 2020 23:21:27 GMT -6
People live on the coast for a lot of reasons but the main reason is very simple. MONEY. Ships can't get to places that are very far from the coast so most coastal cities started off as port cities. THEN they found that the coastal areas were basically floating on oil. I was raised in a coastal port city and among other things we had oil wells everywhere when I was a kid. My High School had several producing oil well on its property. THEN when you have all that oil you need to refine it so they have built most of the refineries in coastal areas. Low and behold they found that all along the gulf coast there was oil off that coast. The chances are almost 100% that a lot of the things that you buy came here via a coastal port city. THEN most of what the US makes and sells to other countries goes to the coast to be shipped all over the world.
Hurricanes are not all that scary any more. yu have weeks notice that they are there and coming. think about all the people that live on the West coast. There is no warning when a massive earthquake decides to flatten your city. Eventually, that volcano that is sitting over Seatle is going to blow and Seatle will be mostly GONE. It is just a matter of time before the East Coast is slammed by a tsunami. If you move into the heartland all is well until a tornado rolls down tornado ally and wipes the land clear of everything. Living in the North is great until a huge blizzard hits and along with dropping the temperatures down to record levels and the power goes down because of the storm.
Where ever you live there are threats. Where YOU live you learn how to deal with them and cope. Hurricanes in the past were like earthquakes. Before we had airplanes and satellites you were not sure whether that storm coming from offshore was a thunderstorm or a Killer Hurricane. Galveston Island was wiped almost clean in 1900 and between 6 and 10 thousand people were killed. Now if you are killed by a hurricane it is because you didn't do the smart thing. If you sit in a hole in New Orleans and let a cat 4 or 5 hurricane roll over you it was your stupidity and not the hurricane that killed you. There are people living in holes that are 12 feet below sea level.
I lived on the coast for most of my life and have been through the eye three times. You get prepared and stay prepared. To this day all of my important papers are in a grab and go box. When I was ON the coast I could pick up and leave in less than 20 minutes. You KEEP all of your vehicles full of gas. As the storm moves in you have everyone together in case you need to run. You do NOT want to make one of those heartbreaking calls for help when you waited too long and have them tell you that they can't get to you and you need to take a magic marker and write your social security number in several places on your body so your remains can be identified if your body is ever found. that is not a joke it happened a few years ago on the Boliver Peninsula.
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Post by billmasen on Aug 27, 2020 1:45:14 GMT -6
I see nothing wrong with living on the coast per se, millions of people do quite happily, but if I was going to live there it would have to be on a rocky coastline not a sandy beach or estuary type area. Its these folks who keep building water level propertys on the beaches or estuaries I dont get. In parts of the UK and partts of NE America there are seaside homes that are hundreds of years old because they are built on ROCK at least 30 ft about the high tide level.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 27, 2020 4:07:43 GMT -6
I see nothing wrong with living on the coast per se, millions of people do quite happily, but if I was going to live there it would have to be on a rocky coastline not a sandy beach or estuary type area. Its these folks who keep building water level propertys on the beaches or estuaries I dont get. In parts of the UK and partts of NE America there are seaside homes that are hundreds of years old because they are built on ROCK at least 30 ft about the high tide level. I so agree with you Bill. A great deal of this we as a society bring upon ourselves. I can't say about other places but in Louisiana land is developed that should not be. Building permits are granted that should not be. All knowingly built in areas where they know there is a threat of flood. But it is all about that dollar.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 27, 2020 4:08:20 GMT -6
People live on the coast for a lot of reasons but the main reason is very simple. MONEY. Ships can't get to places that are very far from the coast so most coastal cities started off as port cities. THEN they found that the coastal areas were basically floating on oil. I was raised in a coastal port city and among other things we had oil wells everywhere when I was a kid. My High School had several producing oil well on its property. THEN when you have all that oil you need to refine it so they have built most of the refineries in coastal areas. Low and behold they found that all along the gulf coast there was oil off that coast. The chances are almost 100% that a lot of the things that you buy came here via a coastal port city. THEN most of what the US makes and sells to other countries goes to the coast to be shipped all over the world. Hurricanes are not all that scary any more. yu have weeks notice that they are there and coming. think about all the people that live on the West coast. There is no warning when a massive earthquake decides to flatten your city. Eventually, that volcano that is sitting over Seatle is going to blow and Seatle will be mostly GONE. It is just a matter of time before the East Coast is slammed by a tsunami. If you move into the heartland all is well until a tornado rolls down tornado ally and wipes the land clear of everything. Living in the North is great until a huge blizzard hits and along with dropping the temperatures down to record levels and the power goes down because of the storm. Where ever you live there are threats. Where YOU live you learn how to deal with them and cope. Hurricanes in the past were like earthquakes. Before we had airplanes and satellites you were not sure whether that storm coming from offshore was a thunderstorm or a Killer Hurricane. Galveston Island was wiped almost clean in 1900 and between 6 and 10 thousand people were killed. Now if you are killed by a hurricane it is because you didn't do the smart thing. If you sit in a hole in New Orleans and let a cat 4 or 5 hurricane roll over you it was your stupidity and not the hurricane that killed you. There are people living in holes that are 12 feet below sea level. I lived on the coast for most of my life and have been through the eye three times. You get prepared and stay prepared. To this day all of my important papers are in a grab and go box. When I was ON the coast I could pick up and leave in less than 20 minutes. You KEEP all of your vehicles full of gas. As the storm moves in you have everyone together in case you need to run. You do NOT want to make one of those heartbreaking calls for help when you waited too long and have them tell you that they can't get to you and you need to take a magic marker and write your social security number in several places on your body so your remains can be identified if your body is ever found. that is not a joke it happened a few years ago on the Boliver Peninsula. Well said Texdamn
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Post by billmasen on Aug 27, 2020 5:12:38 GMT -6
Those who build solid stone / brick houses on rocky shorelines way above the spring high tide levels have little to fear. Those who build on sand at near water level using timber and cladding type construction get all they deserve.
This is Seaham a coastal village near me, this is the sorth of stormy weather they face multiple times every year from the north sea. The harbour, houses, warehouses, quayside buildings, lighthouse etc weather these huge storms easily because they are build from stone and rock. People need to build to suit their local environment. Most of the buildings down our local coast line are hundreds of years old and still fine because they are built right.
BUT travel south only 80 / 100 miles and the people built their homes on sand dunes and aluvial deposits often using prefab construction, every year some more get washed away by the sea.
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Post by dirtdiva on Aug 27, 2020 6:09:27 GMT -6
Bill I had to laugh because the first house I built was in South Louisiana almost 43 years ago. I had stone brought from arkansas to build. That house is still standing. I no longer own it but it has weathered the storm wonderfully. Great minds think alike.
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Post by texdanm on Aug 27, 2020 21:22:32 GMT -6
I see nothing wrong with living on the coast per se, millions of people do quite happily, but if I was going to live there it would have to be on a rocky coastline not a sandy beach or estuary type area. Its these folks who keep building water level propertys on the beaches or estuaries I dont get. In parts of the UK and partts of NE America there are seaside homes that are hundreds of years old because they are built on ROCK at least 30 ft about the high tide level. Well that totally eliminates living ANYWHERE on the Gulf Coast. There are NO rocky coasts on the gulf coast. It is a geological impossibility. You have to go 40 or 50 miles inland to find a low hill that is 50 feet above sea level. the closest thing to a rocky coast is where people have built sea walls to limit the damage from the waves of a storm but even those won't hold back a storm surge from a strong hurricane.
Quick geology lesson. The Northern parts of the east and west coast are coasts formed from from ocean waves. They are very often rocky because over millions of years the oceans eroded way any land that was not rocky. These are continental coasts with thousands and thousands of miles of open ocean between then and the next land mass.
The Gulf of Mexico is the remainder of a once huge inland SEA that divided the North American Continent up to the Canadian border. The last Ice age lowered the sea level and the basin of that sea filled up with silt as it slowly withdrew. When the ice age ended the inland sea just never reformed. the shores of the Gulf of Mexico are what was once under hundreds of feet of water and so are fairly flat and like the edges of a puddle. I live almost a hundred miles from the Gulf now. I was raised 3 feet above sea level 20 miles in from the coast. Now i live almst a hundred miles inland and the low areas where I live now are probably 70 to 100 feet above sea level. In west Texas and New Mexico a thousand mile from the coast you have the Guadeloupe Mountains. Tall beautiful mountains...this mountain range though is not made of rock. it is a huge fossel reef left over from the times then that was a salt water sea hundreds of feet deep.
If you want to have your home above the smallers floods from storms you build your home up on piers. Think telephone poles. The good news is that the mud we live on is STABLE. Many places built up on rocks have earthquakes. They also are prone to mud slides when it rains and the thin layer of soil setting on those rocks shakes loose. the ocean based coasts also are regularly inundated by tsunomies or have volcanoes that blow up. You don't have those problems on the Gulf Coast there is nothing on any coast that is high enough to fall andcause a tsunomi and volcanoes don't seem to form in deep mud very well.
If you move far away from any coast you run into blizzards and in the middle of the US you will need a concrete hole in the ground in your yard to shelter from tornadoes.
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