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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 7:23:52 GMT -6
When I was growing up, in the era before computers, mobile phones or even supermarkets, we ate whatever was "in season" and if it wasnt in season we didnt have it to eat, now its shipped in from the other side of the world. I dont think anyone under 40 maybe even 50 who grew up with supermarkets and globalism would have any idea what I am talking about when I say "in season" as food is now available 12 months of the year. however that will have to change in a national or international catastrophe as those foreign supplies will no longer be available. if that happened we in Britain are only 61% self sufficient in home grown food and would be unable to feed all the present population now in this country. the current estimate is probably about 25% of todays 66+ million.
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Post by dirtdiva on Jul 14, 2020 7:30:05 GMT -6
When I was growing up, in the era before computers, mobile phones or even supermarkets, we ate whatever was "in season" and if it wasnt in season we didnt have it to eat, now its shipped in from the other side of the world. I dont think anyone under 40 maybe even 50 who grew up with supermarkets and globalism would have any idea what I am talking about when I say "in season" as food is now available 12 months of the year. however that will have to change in a national or international catastrophe as those foreign supplies will no longer be available. if that happened we in Britain are only 61% self sufficient in home grown food and would be unable to feed all the present population now in this country. the current estimate is probably about 25% of todays 66+ million. Lonewolf hunger is an excellent motivator! You will be surprised what people learn to do and eat.
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Post by sahunter on Jul 14, 2020 7:42:13 GMT -6
Down Under we can be 100% self sufficient, but globalism and $$$ screwed us over.
We export most of our seafood to Asia at premium prices, and export seafood from Asia that their local wouldn't dare eat ( after seeing the fish ponds & shrimp farms in Vietnam, there is no way I would ever eat anything from their waters ).
Our food is exported, and we import food from Asia. We have a fairly strong Bio Security measures in place - so that rules out much food grown in China - easy fixed - export it to New Zealand, can it there, then mark labels product of New Zealand, and in you come via our Free Trade agreement with them.
We are selling our best farms and food producing areas to, you guessed it, China. Push comes to shove, they'll send it all to their homeland while we miss out.
I got the gardening bug from my grandma - I'd rip up my lawn for a garden if I could.
One think the virus did here was make people more self sufficient - vegetable seeds, seedlings, even chicks were impossible to buy. Lucky I have a good supply of seeds, but it was good to see people start to look after themselves a little bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 4:24:26 GMT -6
When I was growing up, in the era before computers, mobile phones or even supermarkets, we ate whatever was "in season" and if it wasnt in season we didnt have it to eat, now its shipped in from the other side of the world. I dont think anyone under 40 maybe even 50 who grew up with supermarkets and globalism would have any idea what I am talking about when I say "in season" as food is now available 12 months of the year. however that will have to change in a national or international catastrophe as those foreign supplies will no longer be available. if that happened we in Britain are only 61% self sufficient in home grown food and would be unable to feed all the present population now in this country. the current estimate is probably about 25% of todays 66+ million. Lonewolf hunger is an excellent motivator! You will be surprised what people learn to do and eat. I somehow doubt that if their actions during the pandemic are anything to go by, fighting over the last roll of toilet paper isnt going to help them survive.
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Post by texdanm on Sept 11, 2020 20:05:49 GMT -6
In an apocalyptic situation flexibility and the willingness to eat new things and in a worst-case scenario you might eat a lot of things that you probably wouldn't normally eat at all. That said there are a lot of things that you can get easily and cheap and probably will still be available after the shelves of the grocery store are bare.
In the past people often almost lived on things like Mush, Gruel and such. This is simply whatever grain you have available with whatever else you can find and then boil it up. One place that most people won't think of is livestock feed stores. Grain is grain. Feed stores have corn, wheat and all sorts of mixed grains that are perfectly eatable. With a manual grain mill, all of these things can be made into a more useful form and perfectly fine for human consumption. A lot of people are going to starve to death because they will not consider the various foods that are generally considered animal fodder. I'm lucky, I will eat anything, and starving is just not something that I worry about. Nearly ALL animals are eatable.
Where I used to live when they put a bunch of Vietnamese Boat people in my town is was odd at first until people realized what was happening. The stray dogs and cats just disappeared. To them, all those dogs and such were like chickens running around and free dinners. They are a people that WILL survive if things go totally sideways. They are very industrious and will eat anything that they can catch.
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Post by billmasen on Sept 12, 2020 1:34:29 GMT -6
In an apocalyptic situation flexibility and the willingness to eat new things and in a worst-case scenario you might eat a lot of things that you probably wouldn't normally eat at all. That said there are a lot of things that you can get easily and cheap and probably will still be available after the shelves of the grocery store are bare. In the past people often almost lived on things like Mush, Gruel and such. This is simply whatever grain you have available with whatever else you can find and then boil it up. One place that most people won't think of is livestock feed stores. Grain is grain. Feed stores have corn, wheat and all sorts of mixed grains that are perfectly eatable. With a manual grain mill, all of these things can be made into a more useful form and perfectly fine for human consumption. A lot of people are going to starve to death because they will not consider the various foods that are generally considered animal fodder. I'm lucky, I will eat anything, and starving is just not something that I worry about. Nearly ALL animals are eatable. Where I used to live when they put a bunch of Vietnamese Boat people in my town is was odd at first until people realized what was happening. The stray dogs and ats just disappeared. To them, all those dogs and such were like chickens running around and free dinners. They are a people that WILL survive if things go totally sideways. They are very industrious and will eat anything that they can catch. We are lucky I suppose that not only is there no shortage of wildlife to hunt and trap but there is also huge amounts of edible wild flora to eat that most people forgot about eating since victorian times. and of course living only a few miles from the coast gives me another larder to raid.
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Post by texdanm on Sept 12, 2020 10:53:13 GMT -6
There really is a lot to eat out there that people no longer think of as food. Where I live is much as you describe with a lot of wildlife and lots of wild plants that can be eaten. I used to live about 20 miles off the Gulf Coast but moved about 30 years ago to a more inland spot about 100 miles inland. The coast does offer a lot of easy food. I miss the crabs and saltwater fishing but it would be rough not knowing when the next storm coming in from the South was a hurricane instead of another locally heavy afternoon thunderstorm. I live right near a major river and this area is a cattle country and is dotted with ponds and small lakes. I fish a lot and don't expect to have much trouble finding fish to eat. The cattle themselves will provide a pretty stable source of meat and the ranchers will protect them and then be willing to trade meat for services and such. A 300-pound calf will feed a lot of people and without refrigeration, you won't need to keep it all for yourself. I imagine that pretty soon after the fall things like smoked meat and jerky will become a sort of money that the ranchers will swap for vegetables from the farming types. I just don't see food as a big problem here after the initial period of total disruption.
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