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Post by ninab on Jan 19, 2022 18:58:05 GMT -6
IF you suddenly find that you have no electricity, your charged cell phone won’t even turn on, your post 1990 vehicle won’t start and your neighbors are having the same problems, it is probably because we were hit with a HEMP weapon by Russia and you should be ready for at least one year of hell. I have seen so many non prepping people "poh-pooh" this as a possibility, then turn around and be worried about Nuclear war. It amazes me the absence of the subject right now in the main stream press given the probe hacking that has occurred over the last couple of years and the current aggressions on the Ukranian border. One of the best articles I have found as of late. www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/new-grid-threat-russia-deploys-first-strike-weapon-china-ready-too At the bottom you will find an official and well source-referenced paper from Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, Executive Director EMP Task Force on National and Homeland Security January 2021, that explains more and why this is far more likely than a traditional nuclear strike from Russia and just exactly how likely it is that it would be used in a conflict. How is it that this is not made more public?
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Post by blueshoes on Jan 19, 2022 19:35:57 GMT -6
That's a good question.
I didn't know that such a thing (HEMP strikes) were a possibility until I started reading prepper sites, and non-preppers I talk to think it strange that anyone would be concerned about such a possibility.
I don't actually think a (N)HEMP is hugely likely - Russia and China are made up of humans too, and they want to be the 'good guys', and be seen as the good guys. They aren't as bloodthirsty as the Japs were in WW2. I don't think either of them want to be seen as having made the 'first strike' - it would happen in response to serious provocation of some kind.
But the risk can't be dismissed either, because like you say, it would be 'at least one year of hell'... the fallout from it would be pretty serious.
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Post by JIM on Jan 20, 2022 8:27:58 GMT -6
Yeah.that possibility has been around for I don't know how many years.if only one gets through, could cause a domino effect.and next before we know it.the lower 48 u.s. state's don't have any electricity. I've been slowly preparing for something like that.
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 8:45:43 GMT -6
Before I read the attached paper to the article above, I agreed with you that a HEMP attack would not be likely. That changed yesterday after reading their quotes regarding it and seeing for myself their mindsets. There were several things pointed out by Peter Fry in that article that I had not known/considered before.
1) Russia and China officially in their defense strategies, consider HEMP to be cyber warfare and not nuclear warfare. They consider it a weapon used against computers and technology, not people or populations. They put it on par with a cyber attack vs a hot weapon attack.
2) He points out in the article that the technology is such as to be quite possibly untraceable. We would know we sustained a HEMP attack, but, would be unable to prove by whom as Russia, China and NK (and possibly Iran) are all believed to have this technology. They can be launched from satellites now apparently. Plausible deniability. My eldest son worked in government cyber warfare (now in the private sector). He said when China would get into the systems, it was like a bull in a china shop (pun not intended), they left a trail that looked like a tornado had gone through. When Russia did it, it was akin to the vase on the table not being exactly on center like you had left it and you may or may not notice. Russia had a more insidious intent and had taken many steps to avoid detection.
3) The attacks we sustained in 2020 on government systems where Russia was able to meander through our systems for 6-9 months, unabated, and then sustained no repercussions for their actions, once we caught them, was a "probe" to see how we might react to a larger attack. Given that now, Russia is thumbing its nose at the west in general, it would not be illogical to assume that an attack on our electrical grids of some sort is in its plans.
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 8:50:47 GMT -6
Jim, My husband and I spent time last night reviewing our BO plans for a HEMP/cyber attack scenario. Because of my heritage I have studied the history of Eastern Europe for over 40 years. The Ukraine with Russia goes far deeper than the old Soviet Union...it goes back to Kievan Rus and even further to the legend of the three sons of Noah believe it or not. Putin is a Pan-Slavist.
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 8:57:30 GMT -6
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 9:18:48 GMT -6
I have been talking to someone living in Crimea. She is of course, of the mindset that Capitalism and western culture are evil and trying to destroy the Slavic heritage, we disagree on much but, still, she has access to some information that we do not get here. If you read about the cyber attack on Ukraine in the media here, you were told of the message that appeared on the computers there but only in part. She gave me the whole thing...
"All information about you has become public, be afraid and wait for the worst. This is for you, for your past, present and future.... THat is the part that the papers here reported but, there was more..... "For Volhynia, for the OUN, UPA, for Galicia, for Polesie and for historical lands."
Volhynia, Galicia, Polesie are all historically areas that Russia once claimed as Kievan Rus. They are now parts of Ukraine, Belarus and Poland (stretching all the way north to the Baltic Sea and includes part of Lithuania as well.
UPA and OUN are pro Ukrainian forces.
I believe Putin does not only desire a small part of Ukraine, he wants ALL of Ukraine, parts of Poland, Belarus and Lithuania. I keep asking myself why the press only reported part of the message...I think Putin's designs are much larger than we are being led to believe.
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 9:31:43 GMT -6
She gave me that information with the intent it proved that Russia only wanted “the best” for its Slavic brethren….because that is how she thinks. She thought she was helping her argument.
Anyone else reading that and knowing what those terms meant, see it as a threat of the highest order to the national sovereignty of Poland and Lithuania. I believe our government knows this. That quote changes the playing field. Ukraine is not part of NATO. Poland and Lithuania ARE NATO members.
When she gave me the rest of the quote, my fears about Putin's real intent in this conflict were confirmed. The stakes and consequences are much higher than we have been told.
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 10:57:00 GMT -6
Putin made “demands” that he KNOWS that NATO would never consider. WHY? He is not stupid. Underestimating him is a possibly fatal, strategic mistake.
1) Nato’s presence was never seen by him as a direct threat because by charter it is Defensive not Offensive, more like it would make his expansion plans more difficult so, just on the off chance that NATO might roll over for a belly rub, he threw it at the wall to see if it might stick. 2) It buys him time to fine tune the details of his existing plan based on our response or lack there of. If he knows how we will respond, he can mitigate the effects to his benefit. He plays chess, not cribbage. 3) Putin believes in “Mother Russia”, Pan-Slavicism, the belief that ALL ethnically Slavic people are rightfully citizens of Russia; historically Slavic lands are property of Russia. Over the decades of his rule, he has said this many, many times. Many of the Russian people (like the Crimean woman I have been talking to) believe this as well. Him regaining control and “uniting” the Slaves, would boost his popularity and control in Russia; historically putting him on par with the likes of Lenin (which 70% of Russians still admire as their greatest leader). It is a foreign concept to most of the west and we are clueless as to how staunchly Putin himself believes this; he believes it as strongly as we believe that we are endowed with the inalienable rights of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness/property. 4) The west has destroyed Russia with capitalism…that is the belief there. Therefore, the enemy is Capitalism, not any one country, the whole system! Russia needs to destroy Capitalism to regain its prosperity. The quickest, cheapest (Russia does not have the money that China or the US does), way to accomplish all of his goals, would be a cyber attack (which they consider a HEMP to be) which would crash the global economy and disable any type or recovery in the near future. Talk about a “Great Reset”! 5) Russia is allied with China, if not in treaty (they may be, we just don’t know about it), in thought (China has a one China ideology, akin to Pan-Slavicism). If we are out of the picture, China can take Taiwan and any other areas that they consider “historically” Chinese. (maybe China drops an untraceable HEMP, to help their buddy out: China, is where we get 90% of our electrical transformers from). HEMP fits the bill.
This is just my theory based on what I know, what I have heard from people there and have studied. I believe that something not good is coming. It is a puzzle and I am seeing pieces I have falling into place.
He is too cocky like the cat that ate the canary. Something is up his sleeve and I believe it could be a HEMP or at the very least, he is quite assured, they have the ability to shut us down long term with a cyber attack. We would be too busy fighting the war within (looting, chaos, riots) to pay attention to the war without. Then, shut off the oil and gas spigot to Europe from Russia and see to it the US is unable to supply them (like we did in WWII) and Europe falls to his will as well.
My purpose in saying all of this, is not to be argumentative or to scare monger. It is out of sincere concern for my fellow preppers because I know you have all worked hard and sacrificed to protect your loved ones as I have. I hope all of you would at least consider this as an immediate possibility and shore up where possible, any plans you may have started but, not completed. Always better to have it, and not need it than need it, and not have it!
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Post by johngalt on Jan 20, 2022 16:16:49 GMT -6
Thank you for talking about all of this. We all know war is coming, but most don't know why and you have explained a good part of that in your posts.
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Post by blueshoes on Jan 20, 2022 19:27:17 GMT -6
I have been talking to someone living in Crimea. She is of course, of the mindset that Capitalism and western culture are evil and trying to destroy the Slavic heritage, we disagree on much but, still, she has access to some information that we do not get here. If you read about the cyber attack on Ukraine in the media here, you were told of the message that appeared on the computers there but only in part. She gave me the whole thing... "All information about you has become public, be afraid and wait for the worst. This is for you, for your past, present and future.... THat is the part that the papers here reported but, there was more..... "For Volhynia, for the OUN, UPA, for Galicia, for Polesie and for historical lands." Volhynia, Galicia, Polesie are all historically areas that Russia once claimed as Kievan Rus. They are now parts of Ukraine, Belarus and Poland (stretching all the way north to the Baltic Sea and includes part of Lithuania as well. UPA and OUN are pro Ukrainian forces. I believe Putin does not only desire a small part of Ukraine, he wants ALL of Ukraine, parts of Poland, Belarus and Lithuania. I keep asking myself why the press only reported part of the message...I think Putin's designs are much larger than we are being led to believe. I knew about the saga with Navalny, but hadn't heard about the cyber attack in the Ukraine. Thankyou for sharing this.
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Post by ninab on Jan 20, 2022 21:05:22 GMT -6
Just for clarification, that was the cyber-attack that happened just last week ahead of Putin moving additional troops into Belarus (their puppet), supposedly for "routine exercises".
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Post by drhenley on Jan 21, 2022 12:36:38 GMT -6
1) Russia and China officially in their defense strategies, consider HEMP to be cyber warfare and not nuclear warfare. They consider it a weapon used against computers and technology, not people or populations. They put it on par with a cyber attack vs a hot weapon attack. 2) He points out in the article that the technology is such as to be quite possibly untraceable. We would know we sustained a HEMP attack, but, would be unable to prove by whom as Russia, China and NK (and possibly Iran) are all believed to have this technology. They can be launched from satellites now apparently. Plausible deniability. One reason they might be hesitant to use one is that it will most likely knock out their own low earth orbit satellites, even on the other side of the world from the HEMP detonation. The Starfish Prime HEMP test in 1962 destroyed nine satellites in low earth orbit. Three almost immediately, and six more that failed in the following months. Starfish Prime created a belt of MeV (mega electron volt) electrons that circled the earth for 5 years.
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Post by ninab on Jan 21, 2022 14:22:33 GMT -6
I would imagine that in the 60 years since, they have managed to work out those kinks somehow, perhaps preemptively shielding their modern satellites against both natural solar flares and artificial gamma? One thing mentioned in the paper was the ability to launch such an attack from a satellite.
I do hope you are correct, that this would hurt them as much as us.
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Post by ninab on Jan 21, 2022 16:45:27 GMT -6
Update: “US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been informed that ‘further ignoring the legitimate concerns of the Russian Federation...will have the most serious consequences,’ the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement following talks between Washington's top diplomat and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.”
What do you think he means by “most serious consequences”? I mean, what non-military “most serious consequences” can Russia dole out?
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Post by ninab on Jan 21, 2022 21:35:31 GMT -6
From the linked paper by Peter Fry : Russian HEMP Tests The Soviet Union discovered the high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) phenomenon probably years before the United States. High-altitude nuclear testing at its Novaya Zemlya site would have exposed the Russian cities of Archangel and Murmansk and electric grids on the Kola Peninsula to HEMP effects. Moreover, Russia being located at a higher northern latitude than most of the U.S., on the same latitude as Canada and Alaska, meant greater exposure to geomagnetic storms and their EMP/GMD effects on communications and power grids, an awareness reflected in their military writings. On October 22, 1962, the Soviet Union conducted a high-altitude EMP test — Nuclear Test 184 — over part of its own territory, deliberately exposing Kazakhstan's electric grid to HEMP as an experiment. "These EMP producing tests were done over a large populated land mass in Kazakhstan," writes Jerry Emanuelson in his study of Test 184, "Even though the economic state of Kazakhstan in 1962 was quite primitive by today's standards, it was heavily industrialized and electrified." The HEMP field generated by Nuclear Test 184 covered all of Kazakhstan. Emanuelson: “Test 184 was detonated at 290 kilometers above a point that was 180 miles due west of Zhezgazghan....At an altitude of 290 kilometers above the detonation point in central Kazakhstan, the distance to the horizon would have been more than 1900 kilometers, which would have caused an electromagnetic pulse over all of Kazakhstan . ” 14 Data from Nuclear Test 184, the results of which were kept secret for over thirty years, were partially shared with the West in a briefing by Russian General Vladimir M. Loberev in 1994. Nuclear Test 184 confirmed definitively for the Soviets in 1962 what the United States concluded independently by extrapolation from the U.S. STARFISH PRIME and other nuclear test results(conducted over the Pacific Ocean), and from experiments conducted over 50 years using EMP simulators and by computer modeling. 15 Nuclear Test 184 destroyed transformers, generators, communications, switches and all manner of electronics within an enormous footprint extending hundreds of kilometers — thereby proving the advantages and dangers of HEMP attack empirically. Monstrous and unethical as may have been the USSR's decision to conduct an HEMP test against their own people, Nuclear Test 184 and other tests armed the Soviet Union with the best HEMP data in the world in 1962. 16 Nuclear Test 184 was part of a series of seven Soviet nuclear HEMP tests conducted over the USSR's own territory, mostly over Kazakhstan, commencing on September 6, 1961, and ending on November 1, 1962. Whereas the U.S. was surprised by its discovery of HEMP during its 1962nuclear test STARFISH PRIME, the Soviets were already aware of HEMP during their nuclear test series and were very well prepared with a large array of scientific instruments all over Kazakhstan to test and investigate HEMP effects from actual high-altitude nuclear detonations ina way that has never been approximated by the United States or any other nation. 17 The first two Soviet HEMP nuclear tests, on September 6, 1961, and October 6, 1961, were code named "Thunderstorm" and "Thunder" perhaps reflecting the HEMP mission. All of the tests were very realistic, using military ballistic missiles, mostly the SS-4 medium-range missile, to deliver and detonate the warheads at high-altitude. The HEMP tests used a wide variety of warheads, with yields ranging from merely 1.2 kilotons to 300 kilotons, detonated at greatly varying altitudes, ranging from 22.7 kilometers to 300 kilometers height-of-burst. 18 There is no question that as a result of its HEMP nuclear test series, the Soviet Union, and today Russia, probably knows a lot more about HEMP effects than the United States. "In 1962, the then Soviet Union conducted several high-altitude nuclear tests in Kazakhstan in the course of which were obtained vast facts on the damage levels from HEMP illuminating both military and civil systems," writes Russian scientist Vasiliy Greetsai today. "Most of those 'vast facts' are apparently still kept secretly at the Russian Federation Ministry of Defense at the Central Institute of Physicsin Sergiev Posad, Russia," warns Emanuelson in his study of Test 184, "Only a tiny amount of those facts have been publicly released, but those facts have been extremely informative." 1
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Post by kelabar on Jan 23, 2022 23:09:55 GMT -6
HEMP is another means of MAD, mutually assured destruction. As such, like nukes, no one wants to use it because you would end up as bad off as your enemy. But if it starts it won't stop. If you get HEMPed then you have to destroy every other country that poses a risk to you, either by HEMPing them back or nuking them or smashing them conventionally. It doesn't matter whether they were the enemy that struck at you or you were a neutral country. If you leave another country's military and economy intact when yours is a shambles you are ripe for the taking. Simple. It is particularly bad in Europe/Asia. Europe, Russia, China and India could all launch big assaults on neighboring countries over land. If your country is functioning at a degraded level you are 'easy meat'. Possibly it might stop after the initial strike, but I wouldn't count on it. Hate goes back a long way in some of these countries and it wouldn't take much to 'make sure' your neighbors are not in any shape to attack you. Plus it would be a 'good' distraction if, say, there were elections coming up soon and things weren't going well for a troubled regime!
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Post by drhenley on Jan 24, 2022 5:33:22 GMT -6
Plus it would be a 'good' distraction if, say, there were elections coming up soon and things weren't going well for a troubled regime! I definitely would not put anything past the Biden regime, but based on his performance in Afghanistan, any military action directed by the current Commander in Chief and his woke nincompoop generals and admirals is doomed to complete and utter failure. They are more concerned with forcing vaccines on the troops and expediting sexual reassignment surgery than they are with any actual military readiness.
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Post by ninab on Jan 24, 2022 10:14:41 GMT -6
Peter Pry, in 202o stated the US never developed the EMP technology for military use. If that is true, a counter strike wouldn't be a threat to those who might use it. I hope he is wrong. More so, I hope our enemies think he is wrong! Cyber threat whether HEMP or traditional would be a disaster.
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/18/us-risking-cybergeddon-with-russia/
"Ventriloquizing for the Kremlin, Putin intimate and director of Russia’s state-run international media giants, RT and Sputnik, Margarita Simonyan, declared on TV: “Russia will invade Ukraine, sparking a conflict with the U.S. that will force entire cities into blackout. … All-out cyber warfare, nationwide forced blackouts.”
“War is inevitable,” according to Russia’s Ms. Simonyan, “I do not believe that this will be a large-scale hot war, like World War II, and I do not believe there will be a long Cold War. It will be a war of the third type: the Cyber War.”
Russia’s Ms. Simonyan: “In conventional war, we could defeat Ukraine in two days. But it will be another kind of war. We’ll do it, and then [the U.S.] will respond by turning off power to Voronezh.”
She also stated: “Russia needs to be ready for this war, which is unavoidable, and of course, it will start in Ukraine.” Continuing, “Russia is “invincible where conventional war is concerned, but forget about conventional war … it will be a war of infrastructures.”
Adding: “I’ve been agitating and even demanding that we take Donbas [eastern Ukraine]. We need to patch up our vulnerabilities as fast as we can, and then we can do whatever we want.”
“We only lose if we do nothing,” agreed Russian TV interviewer Vladimir Soloviev. He argued that “by absorbing parts of Ukraine — or the entire country — Russia would be able to remove the zone of American influence further from its borders.” Cyber warfare expert Edward M. Roche, in “Cyber-Attacking Electric Power Grids: A New Strategic Weapon” (“Blackout Warfare: Attacking the U.S. Electric Power Grid A Revolution in Military Affairs,” 2021), warns that America is far more vulnerable and less prepared than Russia and China:
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Post by ninab on Jan 24, 2022 10:29:29 GMT -6
This past weekend, the hubby went ahead and bought a new starter and alternator and some other replacement parts for the old bug out vehicle, just to be on the safe side (he works for a large computer company in Cyber Security). Today, I am preparing his purchases to go into the Faraday cage.
Putin has been supposedly asked by his “old friend” Xi, not to upstage the Olympics and observe the traditional UN policy of a seven day window after the end of the games. That brings it to February 27th, the anniversary of Russia moving into take Crimea.
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